The saddle is a great treeless, I like how it doesn’t look fully like a treeless. Everything came nice and clean all brand new. It fits my horse very well who has bigger shoulders and dips behind his shoulders. It starts to morph really well the more you work your horse in it. Only downside is on the fenders it was rubbing while riding so the leather unfortunately is scraping itself away, so the fenders seem to not hold up well with leg movement and pressure from having your feet in the stirrups and moving your legs around.